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Hard to overstate how betrayed Canadians feel. Best friends for generations, a wholly integrated economy, and now the US govt is going to lay waste to our economy, and for what?

All the same, sending sympathy and affection to all our true friends among Americans. We hope for better days.

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Yes. It’s not us, the US. It’s Trump and his minions who have taken power and are abusing it. I’m very sorry for all of us. You and us both, Chad.

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tRump & his minions are only in office as a result of the votes of Americans. We ARE to blame.

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The ones who voted for him , the ones who voted third party & the ones who didn’t vote are the ones I blame.

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The $%^&* Dems who couldn't bother to turn out and vote in the most consequential election in my loooong life. GRRRRRRR!

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👆🎯

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Voting third party is not a vote for Trump. It's merely a vote against the oligarchical status quo.

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Yes it was a vote taken away from someone beating trump, so thanks for the shit show were in now. Life was never guaranteed to fair to give a 2 perfect choices, so sometimes the better of two bad alternatives is better than the worst one coming true

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And how's that working out for us?

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WE didn’t vote for him. Less than half the voting country did.

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tRump had approximately 77 million votes. Harris had approximately 74 million. 90 million eligible voters chose to ignore the "participatory" part of "participatory democracy" and did not vote. Those numbers don't say anything good about who we are as a people.

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Plenty of evidence that tabulation machines in the swing states flipped votes to trump, WHICH HE ACTUALLY SAID OUT LOUD later, boasting about his win. Add widespread voter suppression and interference, and many votes for Harris were blocked or rejected.

Look. You will find good non-conspiratorial discussion of both of these here on Substack.

Repeat: Trump is not the people’s choice.

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I agree with pretty much everything you said here, except I have to question the tabulation machine theory - just as I did when that accusation was leveled - without a shred of evidence - in 2020.

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Stop the steal is for baby losers. He won under the rules in place and considering 15M people voted for Biden in 2020 didn't bother to show up, no one to blame. So man/women up and deal with it and figure out a way to overwhelm the fuckers next time

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"Those numbers don't say anything good about who we are as a people."

That's true as far as that goes, but let me ask you this:

Did >you< vote for Trump? Did you stay home on election day? Do you feel personally responsible for his ascension?

Me neither.

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I believe that Muskrat did something with the votes in Pa. We know that happened because Trumpanzee bragged that thanks to Musk they won.

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This. Times 90 million.

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Will you people stop that shit? Do you realize that this is how democracy works? The world only sees US POLICY, and doesn't give a damn that some nice lady in Louisiana voted for Harris?

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If you count the 30+ % who didn't vote at all, and could have, it's higher.

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Our fellow Americans are a mortal threat to our livelihoods. Stupid people voted in a stupid man. It’s one thing to be a low information voter, it’s another to enable the destruction of our democracy. I hope we finally take this serious enough to actually do something to stop it. Now would be the time to do something.

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The morons wouldn't listen to our warnings. We can't compete against decades of brainwashing from billionaire propaganda.

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Speak for yourself and the assholes who didn’t vote.

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Trump’s favorability is sinking. It’s lower than that of any president’s first month polls. Trump’s favorability 47%, same period Joe Biden 57%, Obama 66% George W. 59%. See poll details for earlier presidents. Source :https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

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I didn’t vote for that bastard. NOT my president

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Most votes have minimal clue what they voted for. They got a bunch single issue voters with the abortion law, and the propaganda around all that. once they vote, they need cognitive disconence to regulate themself, justify up to a point the actions, and what a well oil machine the Trump administration has to talk to his base.

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Thank you!

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Here’s a question: this is the second time Trump has been elected. Even if the next president is a chill free trade loving smart guy, how can Canada trust that y’all won’t just elect another moron who blows things up again in the future? Trump has completely destroyed the US’s reputation, and the damage might be permanent.

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Pretty sure no one will trust the US leadership again for many decades — if ever. People generally have short memories, but not for betrayal.

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Because trusting the free trade guy is easy, and we Canadians always prefer the easy way. We’ve had decades upon decades to expand our markets, but we’re lazy, shortsighted navel gazers.

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For people outside the US, it doesn't matter whether you voted for him or not: he is your president, he acts on your behalf, he threatens us with tariffs or war. We must defend ourselves. If we are lucky by reducing trade with the US to the bare minimum.

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No, he definitely does not act on our behalf.

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He only acts on his own behalf but I understand what you are saying

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I dont like the implied 3rd option when it comes to a made-up claim about Canadian crisis. https://x.com/JDVance/status/1886146976498020747?t=tc3YbEcjpImvyCr4F_-_iQ&s=19

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Now I’ll ever find my sweety bells.

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Trump is the Three Stooges, wrapped up into one idiotic man, elected by one idiotic country under the rules established by one idiotic Constitution. But Nice Try, “Founding Fathers” (who were the fathers of slaves, both literally and figuratively)

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Most Americans are with you and regret the betrayal of a great partner nation. Hopefully, this will fail in our courts, sooner rather than later.

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Most Americans? Maybe, just barely, but not most white Americans. Most white Americans voted for Felon47.

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Only 30 something percent of eligible voters voted for Felon #45, and he won by 1.5 percent. 10% voted for a third party candidate, 30 something for Kamala Harris and 30 something percent didn’t vote at all. Those numbers certainly don’t equal “most Americans.”

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And then there’s a highly likely scenario where he messed with ballots and machines. He has almost stated as much — besides the fact that he always accuses others of what he himself does.

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Yes, he and Elonia.

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Speaking of Musk, check out the Reuters reports on what has been going on at the Treasury Department and federal Office of Personnel Management. His minions are doing exactly what he did with Twitter when he took over, but this time it’s our entire fiscal system on the line.

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Thank you!

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Exactly.

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We didn't vote for the idiot, we voted for VP Harris and Gov. Walz. We're boomers and despise the orange moron.

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Me too and all of my friends, but you and I and them don’t comprise a representative sample of white voters. Anyone who voted for the felon is a person the world would be better off without, and that cohort of 76 million includes a substantial majority of white voters.

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And? Am I responsible for what white voters generally do because we share a skin color?

This nonsense is getting really old. If you think so, say it squarely.

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You are certainly not responsible for anyone’s vote but yours. But the white voters who vote for Republicans (which is now, and has been for many decades, most white voters) are responsible for the mess we’re in now. It’s for sure getting old. It went stale in 1968 and has been stinking up the planet since then.

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Do you understand what a democracy is? The winner makes the policy.

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It does not matter to Canadians who you voted for! The fact is that Americans are imposing 25% tariffs on Canada with treats for more! Canadians didn’t start this trade war but were not taking the betrayal without a fight. We are angry! The American anthem at a hockey game in Ottawa was soundly booed - and there’s lots more anti Americanism on the way along with retaliatory tariffs.

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I'm gen X and also absolutely despise this pos

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MOST Americans voted for Harris+others, not for Trump. And many Americans simply didn’t vote.

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57% of white voters voted for Felon47. That’s most white voters by a 14-point margin. Among white working-class voters it was a 40-point margin. It was a 60-point margin for white evangelical voters. Nobody knows the preferences of non-voters, but it’s reasonable to assume that the distribution of potential votes by those citizens would be about the same as for those who did vote.

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But how many of those were voting for something something DEI? The thing is that most of them are more stupid than evil.

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I don’t think they’re stupid. Willfully ignorant, yes, but not stupid. They knew what they were voting for, and they got what they wanted.

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Other than "white" voters have a vote equal to the vote of "white" voters. You sound like you don't feel that way, but it's a fact.

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This white American absolutely did NOT vote for this pos.

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Oh, because white Americans count for more.

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The buck stops with....the American voter.

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As the quote says....“If there is an idiot in power, it is because those who elected him are well represented”

Mahathma Gandhi

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Yep. 77 million of them. I don't know about others, but I'm still in a state of shock over this.

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Me too, except for the shock part. I’ve been fighting these bastards since 1963 and feel like I understand them well. They are willfully ignorant, stingy, mean, and vicious. And nearly all white.

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Barry Goldwater! Yikes, what an indoctrination.

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Spot on. Not said enough by the media. The ultimate rot is US voters: angry, bitter and ignorant

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Yeah - we are pretty likely the dumbest people in the world. We get corruption, stupid policies, and planes falling from the sky, but at least we managed to avoid the brown lady with the laugh…

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It's the second time an incredibly qualified woman lost to the same con-man. There's nothing wrong with Clinton or Harris...it's us

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And I was so much looking forward to having that wonderful laugh as prez !!!

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I was looking forward to her picking an AG who'd put the Orange Puffalo behind bars until his last days.

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Absolutely!

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It will be shot down in court, as Trump’s many illegal/unconstitutional attempts have done!

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This Supreme Court takes bribes too.

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The only way they can keep their lifetime (Oh, goodness!) appointments is to continue to shore up the charade that passes for “justice”.

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Please, oh please! 🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏

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I fear not.

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Carol You can’t just sit back and hope that the courts handle this. Americans need to “take back” control. Take constructive actions: write to your representatives, ask your friends on Facebook,etc…

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I don't think that most Americans are. I am particularly disgusted by latinos in the US! I remember some informal conversations I had with Cuban Americans while visiting Miami! All I could think was how fortunate FOR CUBA those angry and retrograde people no longer lived on the island. Apparently that latino anger has spread. On your last elections they behaved like the selfish folks they've ever been. Once IN, they want everybody else OUT and the hell with friends, the environment, regulatory agencies....everything that matters! They are ohh so pious and ohhh so SELFISH at the same time. And yes, I am a latino too but thanks to their mightly God, I live far, far away from the USA!

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I stand with Canada.

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Thank you, sir.

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Nice comment, thank you. By the time this is over, Trump will take every means to destroy Canada's economy. Ostensibly to force Canada into an economic and political takeover of Canada. We will defeat you.

Friends, we will never again be. Trust me on that! We will never forget the experience.

BTW, Canada's assets are valued at US$17 trillion, more than the value of US assets. I can't wait for the deal XI or the EU will offer us for our energy assets. Eamon

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As an American I hope your Country defeats the rise of the fascist right but just so you know there is a massive propaganda situation that allowed the apathy of 89 million eligible voters to sit this election out and of the other 152 million almost half voted against Trump. Only 14% of the population is hardcore MAGA! Of the people that voted for Trump they voted for him because he promised to lower the price of groceries, gasoline, insurance and provide affordable housing… all lies of course but the media is controlled by Billionaires, foreign adversaries and self interested social media personalities who have a personal interest in seeing Trump back in office. Don’t be so mad at all of us Americans because unfortunately your Country could fall into the same black whole. Many of us are just trying to resist, educate and find a path out of this mess!

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Not sure how long you plan to wait for those energy deals, but you should plan to wait even longer for the pipelines they’ll need to get their product.

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I stand with America, Canada and Mexico, a new alliance to resist Trump and his brainwashed TV addicted fascists.

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And we appreciate the support of our American friends.

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An attack on Canada, be it through tariffs or any other means, is an attack on Americans, too. Trump’s tariffs are part of his civil war against Americans. I”m sorry your nation is getting caught up in it.

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It’s all so sad and frightening, for Canadians, Americans, and the rest of the world too.

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How?

I see lots of complaints re possible price increases but nothing else.

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How what? I don't understand your question.

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Nice of you to post here but doubt trump reads this thread.

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Trump can’t be convinced of anything. Not even Mr. Krugman could convince him of, for example, the idiocy of tariffs. The point of our conversations, as best I can gather, is try to discuss an opposition strategy amongst our comparatively helpless selves.

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As a Canadian I stand with you Chad. Tariffs will hurt both economies, all for a petulant ego.

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Business likes stability and that is a word not in our imbecile FOTUS vocabulary. We are stuck with him. The chance that his party would vote in the Senate to impeach him is vanishingly small. The 25th amendment is unworkable. We are in a bad place and he likely will cause a depression.

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And blame it on absolutely anything and anyone else.

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DEI, woke, Black people & women seem to be his favored targets.

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Agency - without consequences.

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Really,this regimes wants to destroy the US. Canada and Mexico, Greenland,.. may go down with it. But the US was dumbed down for 40 years by Murdock, Fox, and a vast right wing, what is the word?

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Propagandized and brain washed, Fox often quotes Russian propaganda.

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It's not just an economic depression that worries me, it's all the other controls & blatant nastiness that we will all be subjected to by his goons on all of us who have not just 'joined' the trump cult ! They are now trying to get control of the SSec funds etc - and why do we think that might be ? Most likely there will be punishing decisions made regarding our rightful payments if they decide they do not like us ! With people who have zero regard for rights or norms or standard procedures there is no bottom to what they could try to do - what the Law says has zero impact on them ! The Republicans have just sat there & given way on every move trump & his gang have now already done even if the Law was not in agreement !

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Yes I fear it will be much worse before it is better. How can Republicans even stand this craziness? Trump is going to destroy the economy. Nothing he does is conservative or make any sense.

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Because the Republican (I call them rethuglicans, now) are not conservative. They are daily charged-up reactionaries with a strong streak of burn it all down.

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You have a lot of friends. Many of us dream of joining Canada---California, Oregon, Washington, and the New England states. I'm afraid the whole world is going to have to disengage from the US. It's clear that a plurality of our voters are too stupid and venal for us to remain a great nation.

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Trust me, those of us who didn’t vote for him feel betrayed, too.

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Pay no mind to the gaslighters. What you are feeling right now is valid. America is dying and Canada needs to come to terms with this fact and ensure its own independent security.

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The US is definitely in turmoil but I'm not buying the dying side. Way too much Celtic blood in this lad to just pack it in and go quietly "into the night" as the saying goes. We've been through this BS in different ways before and came out the "other side" still chuggin' along. Trump is doing his best to screw up as quickly as possible and yes there will be "suckage" for most if not all. Right now as I see it the fight is to do everything possible to counter the orange menace and his minions in government until the 2026 mid-terms. Trump "screwed the pooch" in 2017-2018 and the R's got sufficiently tossed from Congress in the 2018 mid-terms that Trump was largely neutralized. Defeatism accomplishes nada.

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To Donald Trumphuk — We will remember your attempt to subvert and pervert the Constitution and our democracy. Your insane tariffs and your idiotic Executive Orders all drummed up by your Project 2025 bro-Nazis will be your undoing. You’ve unleashed the Kraken—and it’s us. We won’t rest until you and your weasel (not vermin) MAGAmaniacs are ousted. We’re just getting started!

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Now that's my kind of talk! :)

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My point was rather that Trump was chosen by the collective will of the nation and thus Canada would be right to consider us hostile to its existence, just as we are hostile to our own existence…

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It wasn't collective will. It wasn't even 50%. Most people didn't vote for imposing 25% tariffs on Canada. They voted to lower inflation. They are stupid and uninformed because media doesn't inform

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The people are wholly discredited, such a stupid people in control of the most powerful country on earth is a fucking threat to the free world and that is my whole point. Stop rationalizing, people knew what a fucking creep Trump is, he is what they wanted. They subliminally knew how retarded his policies would be because he did the same shit last time. It is not a defense of these people that they have the memory of a fucking goldfish.

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Do you understand democracy and policy?

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Understand your point but again the collective to which you refer is really not the majority of the US voting public nor even close. I have to believe we are going to see a lot of "buyer's remorse" in the very near future once quite a few red state folks in particular start to realize that are "welfare recipients" in a general sense that those states largely take in more Federal dollars than they pay out in taxes and the programs that are being targeted make cuts regardless of where you live. Likewise a lot of youngsters apparently stayed home over the Gaza issue as we see the significant difference in the totals for Harris vs. Biden and Trump certainly didn't get difference in his slight gains.

Trump is buffoon in many a way but he's an excellent con man who's been practicing his whole life starting with having to deal with a sadistic, sociopathic father. History shows us that these megalomaniacs tend to destroy themselves in short order once they reach what they believe is their zenith of power. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Hitler, etc.. Hubris in time leads to their own ruin. I'm half old Virginian on my mother's side and the state motto rings true for me. Sic Semper Tyrannis.

As to Canada, having been across the entirety of that wonderful country a number of times, I'm quite sure they will be just fine, eh? Now if PEI quits sending us the best potatoes for potato chips I will consider that an act of war! :)

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The phrase rings hollow without a Brutus. Rationalize the outcome of the election however you like, it is a testament to the intellectual degradation of the American electorate, the trivial ease of their manipulation by Russian narratives surrounding geopolitical crises, the grotesque big money poisoning our platforms of discourse. I am in no mood to hear that the people will sour on their decision. It is immaterial because they are too infantile to do anything about it. Go prove me wrong.

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I get your dour mood but it accomplishes nothing in my take on the world. If you want to call looking at the facts rationalizing that is also certainly your prerogative. Your points are certainly valid regarding Russian interference, big money control (Citizens United) etc. No one of us is going to prove anyone wrong but collective action just might at least mitigate the worst. The biggest difference from myself and some others is I'm real bad a spelling "surrender." Anyone that has a bit of Celtic ancestry (Scot, Welsh & Irish) will understand perfectly. On the other side of that coin humor me and tell just what your "mood" will accomplish as I'm sure as hell not seeing it.

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Canada just received a big wake-up call. For too long, we have become an indolent nation that leaves the table to go to the washroom when the check arrives. We have not pulled our weight in NATO or the defence of North America, in the security of our border, and in China using Canada as a transit point for the transport of drugs to the US. But that is all fixable. It does not require a trade war or the takeover of a neighboring country. Eamon

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As Paul notes, there is very little fentanyl flowing from Canada to the US. Indeed some of if flows from the US into Canada. Nor is illegal immigration a significant problem on the 49th parallel.

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This should also be the end of NORAD, just no one has acknowledged it yet…

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The humor writer in me wants to make a comment about Santa's very bad day, but it's harder to be funny these days.

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US not a reliable partner

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You are wrong the Premier of Alberta suggested yesterday NORAD needs a significant overhaul. An overhaul is to be undertaken jointly by US and Canada. She stressed the threat from Russaia and China to be of prime concern. Eamon

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The Premier does not make decisions about the military so her comments are her opinion only.

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She’s talking about capitulating to whatever they demand (funded by Ottawa, but don’t dare touch oil revenue to do it) not ending it…

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Back atcha, Chad! That said, much as I am dismayed by Trump and much as I enjoy visiting Canada, I have no plans to leave the US. Someone has to stick around and keep on bitchin'!

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Most of us here in New England still want to be friends! And I’m guessing a sizable chunk of the West coast and Upper Midwest do as well. Maybe it’s time we ask our leaders to form a new union with our saner Canadian cousins?

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