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GrrlScientist's avatar

Professor Krugman: i like your trade deal with the EU. can we hire you to negotiate these agreements?

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Rikeijin's avatar

It's funny that AfD in German, which is supported by J.D. Vance, opposes the deal.

Regarding the unconstitutional tariffs, the Supreme Court of the United States would need to uphold the Trade Court's decision to revoke them immediately. However, they did not.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

The SCOTUS "gang of six" are Trumpkopf's sock puppets.

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Anca Vlasopolos's avatar

They've been aptly labeled by Heather Cox Richardson as "The MAGA Six."

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

This new damned spam bot is especially prolific. Reported - again.

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Stephen Bowlus's avatar

"sock puppets" - Only a Brit would phrase that so politely. From Americans (or at least this one) it would come out unprintable.

SCOTUS (aka the Supine Court) is the ruler's best friend since George III's cabinet.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

I'm actually a lifelong New Yorker. However, the character from whom I take my handle is a Brit, which makes sense since Orwell was a Brit.

Trust me, I'm perfectly capable of blurting out ribbons of choice expletives. I try to avoid it when writing though.

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New spam bot strikes again. Reported.

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Marliss Desens's avatar

And reported a second time.

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Stephen Schiff's avatar

Like their Amerikanische bedfellows (GOP) the AfD can be counted on to oppose anything the other parties do. Nihilism is their program.

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Les Peters's avatar

RE the AfD: As expected. These ultranationalist groups wouldn’t want any barriers to THEIR industries. The fun part is watching them fight with each other as more of these unfavorable “deals” are made. This may save us from an international right wing hegemony.

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Jack Carter's avatar

A wishful thinking virtual deal. That would have been rejected the moment you’ll have articulated it. Why not american companies invested a few hundred billions in EU? And what about the services? The EU bowing to this bully asshole of convict von trump is a damn shame. Nothing good for the furure. Trump is sick. Remove him!

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Richard Bradford's avatar

It's brilliant. Nobody ever saw such a brilliant deal. No one had any idea that a deal that brilliant was possible.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Believe me, plenty of MAGAs think that. The E.U. would have been better not to sign anything. Trump would have slapped on his tariffs anyway. Why give him a photo op at his golf resort? Taxpayers are paying for Trump and his entourage to stay at his pricey resort (more grifting).

Free to read: from Dan Rather:

https://steady.substack.com/p/calling-out-the-con-man-in-chief

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Marlo's avatar

My thoughts exactly! This man needs to be in charge of our economy! Or at the very least, consulting with the president who obviously has flunkies advising him.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

Well, well, well. A brand new spam bot. Reported.

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

“When I point out that Trump’s idea of trade deals seems counterproductive even in terms of his claimed goal of boosting manufacturing, I get some pushback from readers along these lines: “Oh, yeah? If you’re such an expert on trade negotiations, tell me what deal you think you could have made.””

Professor, you’ll get no argument from me. Trump just likes to call everything a bad deal so he can put his name on it. Did I mention, republicans are trying to pass a bill for $250.00 note with Trump’s name on it?

After all, wasn’t NAFTA a bad deal and the reason Trump gave it a new name and suddenly it was a great deal; until it wasn’t? Trump has no idea what he’s doing. These tariffs are being used as a cudgel against any corporations who challenge or criticize Trump, while rewarding his crony capitalists with exceptions.

Bottom line: we’re dealing with a petulant five year old who is deflecting from all the damage DOGE and Heritage are doing to our government databases. Not to mention, destroying over 75 years of alliances and trust; all for nothing!

I’d like to know what it is they’re trying to accomplish, other than use all of our personal information to consolidate power and use it as a means of control.

Therefore, my only question is, how does this make America Great Again? It’s a rhetorical question, no need to answer!…:)

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Stephen Brady's avatar

The Orange Imbecile sits atop the US Government like an enraged infant playing with the contents of its soiled diaper. The only reason he does anything is to garner attention for tRump.

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Linda McCaughey's avatar

He serves perfectly as the bright shiny (loud, obnoxious) object of distraction which diverts attention from what is happening in all those closed boardrooms. Hey! Look over there!!!

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Rex Page (Left Coast)'s avatar

Yes, attention and grift are his only interests. Nevertheless, “sticking Trump’s name on money flows that would have happened anyway” is a win for him. Appearances exceed even grift in priority.

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NSAlito's avatar

...and retribution. He's a very vindictive SOB.

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J Circosta's avatar

Dan Rather is reporting that Trump has increased his net worth so far by 9 billion from the Presidency. Like his so-called trade deals, the Trump presidency is a loss for the country, monetary as well as so many other types, but a win for him. He is by far the costliest President in our history. No wonder he wanted to be President- it’s the biggest grift ever, even better than he himself imagined probably. And thanks to a spineless GOP, a corrupt SC majority, & a flaccid MSM, he is getting what he wants. The only question is: how long, given the JE mess, will Heritage, the tech billionaires, Koch etc stick with their useful, half-demented geriatric prop? Is the trade off still good enough for them?

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Seeking this level of wealth and power is a disease!

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Rex Page (Left Coast)'s avatar

The diseased are the racist pack of 77 million louts who voted for the SOB. They each committed a crime against humanity. With impunity, unfortunately, but never to be forgiven by decent human beings.

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Greenlander's avatar

Excellent description !

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Linda McCaughey's avatar

What they are trying to accomplish is the complete corporate takeover of the U.S. "Drowning the government in a bathtub", as it was foretold....

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

Agreed. Anyone who believes a word Trump says, or thinks his tariffs are brilliant deals; the best ever, are suffering from normalcy bias; they do not understand that these people have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

Unless, of course, they know exactly what they’re doing, then that’s even more troubling!

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bill heater's avatar

How important is what Howard Lutnick calls Trump’s “genius and intuition”? It’s like trying to evaluate a piece of modern art. Is it Brilliant or Baloney? I think most Americans (me included) see “numbers, numbers numbers” and give up. No matter how bad these tariff deals are, there are people with much LOUDER opinions who say otherwise. I worry the “baloney” team is winning. Frustrating.

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Eric's avatar

I don't think Lutnick really believes this. He's an opportunistic weasel who will gladly blow smoke up Trump's ass if it means he'll get special treatment. But don't get me wrong, Lutnick doesn't understand the economy anymore than Trump does. He just knows how to stick to the script.

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Linda McCaughey's avatar

Historically, if a person's well-being in any form is dependent upon what that person does/says/believes, that person cannot be trusted to tell the truth or be taken seriously in any way at all.

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Alex Tolley's avatar

Or more classically,

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

- Upton Sinclair

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

Agreed, the stupidly is beyond comprehension!

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Chris's avatar

The problem is, half the country thinks like he does.

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George Patterson's avatar

39 percent, at last report.

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Robert Briggs's avatar

Which is to say that they don't think. "I love the poorly educated!" -- DJT

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Rena's avatar

"thinks"

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ScottB's avatar

A $250 bill? Drug dealers will love it as it will substantially reduce their "administrative overhead," also known as money laundering. Honestly, you just can't make this stuff up!

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Alex Tolley's avatar

"Did I mention, republicans are trying to pass a bill for $250.00 note with Trump’s name on it?".

Doesn't that mean that, erm....Donnie needs to be at room temperature before rising to that pantheon? Do republicans know something we don't? ;-)

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Craig O.'s avatar

Section 4 of the bill addresses that: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1761/text

The bill is even worse than just having his name on it - it calls for his portrait to be on it.

Fortunately, the bill seems to be stuck in committee.

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Robert Jaffee's avatar

You would think so, but we live in the Bizzaro world, where up is down and nothing is what it seems!…:)

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Frau Katze's avatar

How are plans for Mt Rushmore going?

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Karen Arnett's avatar

I hate that the current regime wants to force Europe to buy more American made cars and trucks. I have spent a lot of time in Europe in the last few years and it is really refreshing to not see giant American pick ups or massive American cars on the roads. The European cars are petite, don’t take up much space, aren’t gas guzzlers. They need those vehicles not ours on their roads.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

I hate everything that the current regime does - or tries to do. Everything. No exceptions.

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JesseBesse's avatar

Europeans have more common sense than the average person in the US and will not buy the obnoxiously large SUVs & trucks that our car manufacturers produce. They probably believe in climate change as well!

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Eric's avatar

This is an area where disparity between the world's sense and the US's nonsense is on full display.

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J Circosta's avatar

Most Europeans will buy non-Tesla EVs also. When I was teaching at the university level I always noticed that the European students, on scholarships, etc, were always better thinkers than 3/4 of their American classmates. Trump is a completely unabashed, unrepentant, totally cynical user of the poorly educated.

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Chenda's avatar

The roads are too small and the petrol prices too high to allow that to happen.

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LeonTrotsky's avatar

And US egos too big.

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Les Peters's avatar

Also true of Japan. Ultimately, trying to force hundreds of millions of individual consumers to buy things they don’t want seems doomed to failure. Heck, a lot of parents can’t even get their only child (or dog) to do as they are told within the confines of their home.

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Not Sure Of Much's avatar

Tiny cars make it difficult to haul long guns.

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George Patterson's avatar

I recall a cartoon years ago with two guys crammed into a tiny pickup truck with a shotgun in the window rack. The butt of the gun sticks out the passenger's window and the barrel sticks out the driver's window. The passenger says "Jake, you're gonna have to buy either an American truck or a Japanese shotgun."

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Frau Katze's avatar

lol 😺

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Carol C's avatar

Oh, I don’t know about that! I used to have a Beetle with a sunroof. . .

Not Sure of Much, excellent observation!

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Carol C's avatar

I observed rush hour in Copenhagen from a high-rise apartment building. There were some people in cars. Lots more people on bicycles. I saw parents with three kids in a child carrier on the front of the bike. I saw a 70-something man biking with a large rolled up rug over his shoulder.

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George Patterson's avatar

When we were in Amsterdam years ago, we saw a young woman pedaling along with a lapdog tucked under her right arm.

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E2's avatar

When you build bicycle infrastructure, you facilitate a bicycle culture, wherein a wide range of people feel that it is normal and practical to ride for everyday trips. You don't have to be little kid playing, or a fitness-geared adult exercising. You don't have to be particularly strong, and you don't have to be brave.

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Carol C's avatar

Amen to that!

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George Patterson's avatar

Nobody can "force Europe" to buy vehicles made in the United States. Vehicles are purchased by individual Europeans. If you want one of them to buy your car, make one they would like to buy.

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Alex Tolley's avatar

Pretty much the same in Japan.

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Frau Katze's avatar

There’s one place where American autos have historically sold well: Canada.

However Trump has 25% tariffs on auto parts and even on aluminum, which the US can’t easily make itself (it’s energy intensive but Canada has lots of hydropower).

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Anne H's avatar

We buy more than we make but somehow trump thinks that is unfair.

Fuck him

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Frau Katze's avatar

Exactly!

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Juan I. Jorquera, Ph.D.'s avatar

As an European, although I do not share the right-wing politics of our President von der Leyen, I would not have wanted to be in her position. How do you negotiate with a madman bully? I guess you let him believe he has won, cross your heart and hope he dies soon.

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Barb O's avatar

I think she is, but women aren't as good of liars as men. So, she doesn't seem strong. On the contrary, it is men who are weak.

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J Circosta's avatar

Yes! That is exactly the reasoning I believe most these leaders adopt & which Starmer will likely adhere to. Let the clown look good, thinking, claiming that he is a genius, while getting the best deal his bottomless pit of an ego will allow. His persistence in punishing our NA trading partners & former allies I suppose has the same basis.

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Sharon's avatar

Great. That made me laugh!

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Jcarlet's avatar

I wish you would have noted that the President has no legal authority to impose tariffs.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

It almost goes without saying. Nearly everything - if not absolutely everything - King Krasnov does is illegal.

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Carol C's avatar

Yes, every single time, there should be a brief public service announcement citing the Constitution.

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

I thought so too but then looked up the IEEPA and relevant sections and while the role of Congress is mentioned there are enough vague limitations that he can ride on that the Turd that he is. Check it out? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/programs/geoeconomics-center/trump-tariff-tracker/?user_id=66c4c220600ae150758e8d1d&utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=newsletter

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Carol C's avatar

I understand there are circumstances when Trump would be allowed, but no emergency exists. Or no one else has noticed any emergency in at least the past ten years.

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

Oh I completely agree with you! I was just mentioning the fact that if there is a crack he will seep poison into it at the smallest opportunity. He is a sick bloke.

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Carol C's avatar

I agree with you about his ability to find any cracks he might take advantage of. Or to hire lawyers to find them, more likely.

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

Pervert to the core. Time to remember Orwell!!

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Fiona Bergin's avatar

At the heart of all this is the dumb American voter. They seem truly incapable of discerning truth (or something close enough) from complete balderdash baloney. And this isn't going to change. Trump spelt out his policy insanities loud and clear on the campaign trail, and yet, in the face of reality, a coalition of twits formed and voted him back in. Some of them apparently not old enough to remember the nightmare that was Trump 1.0. Frankly, there's good reason to despair of America.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

That's because they get all their "information" from Faux Newspeak and the whole reichwing propaganda ecosystem.

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George Patterson's avatar

He spelled out these things in his rallies. These were attended mainly by the devout converts. In the ads, however, the Republicans talked about Biden's age and the high price of eggs. Many (perhaps most) of the Republican voters had no idea they were voting for this. I spoke with a special orders rep at Lowes about a month ago who is still expecting egg prices to come down. They may actually come down if the MAHA idiots eliminate flu shots.

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Fiona Bergin's avatar

They 'had no idea' because, frankly, they're idiots. Unfortunately things won't change and this large tier of society will continue to be manipulated to meet the needs of those with the deepest pockets. This really is a replay of the decline of the Roman Republic.

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

And do not forget the ominous Project 2025!

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Matty's avatar

The Monty Python clip you chose is the PERFECT analogy for Trump’s new tariffs. It even symbolizes the impact of his entire presidency upon our country thus far. Thank you sir!

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Barb O's avatar

Good clip to share elsewhere, too!

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Eike Pierstorff's avatar

I am German. Everyone I know thinks the EU has made too many concessions except the governing conservatives (first response I saw was right wing conservative Tilman Kuban praising the deal because 15% is so much better than 50%. In my adopted hometown of Berlin there is a saying, "Aus Scheiße Bonbons drehen", rolling shit into candy, and that is some big candy indeed). But conservative praise may be strategic. Somewhat underappreciated internationally, Germany has gone fully Trump. The chancellor makes no secret of his contempt for international law, the secretary of the interior is openly trying to destroy the Schengen System by implemeting illegal (and ineffective) border controls, we deport not only people to the Taliban (some of them were criminals, so maybe the public would agree with that) but also pull schoolchildren from classrooms and deport well integrated Jesidic families back to the country where they fled from murder and persecution. The conservative faction also sabotaged the election for the constutional court by "accusing" the social democratic candidate of wanting to legalize abortion (which apart from everything else is not even true, and yes, it is illegal in Germany). The war against everything that sound remotely liberal also includes the fight against renewable energy, and the minister for the economy, even before the trade deal, had announced plans to put additional levies on renewable energy and build at least 20 Gigawatt of capacity in gas-fired powered plants. I am not sure if I sound paranoid when I see some level of coordination here between the Trump administration and the German government. The German right wing has seen that democracy is no longer a given, but can be turned with relatively little effort into an autocratic kleptocracy, and that is what they want for themselves. Damaging the EU or their country or their own party is probably a price they are willing to pay.

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W. Rietveld's avatar

Well, comparing the political situation in Germany today with that of the USA is a long stretch. In Germany democracy is still very much intact, as is the rule of law. Germany does not antagonize it's neighbors with trade wars. Germany does not blackmail it's universities and law firms. It did not now build concentration camps for unwanted citizens. And Germany understands very well that Putin can not be trusted and must be stopped in Ukraine. Actually, compared to many coutries, even some in Europe, Germany is an example of a decently governed civilization.

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Barb O's avatar

It took 6 months to trash everything here in the US. 6 months.

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

But the foundations have been laid a lot longer than that. Citizens United Glass Steagall the Heritage Foundation etc... all were danger signs that everyone ignored. This MEGA A**hole is the result. Things will fall fast now.

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

It may be a long stretch now, but won't stay that way given the efforts of the far right to polarise the country. And look how the SPD is still trying to cozy up to Russia (after all, a certain former SPD chancellor used his office to get a cushy job at Gazprom). But I do agree: Germany is a fabulous country within that miracle of an organisation called the EU.

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George Patterson's avatar

Very glad to hear that.

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Martin Hayman's avatar

Viewed from the UK, that is a dispiriting summary of the political situation in Germany

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JesseBesse's avatar

I had no idea all this was going on over there. This is horrible to read. It seems like right wing organizations around the globe have seized on inflation & immigration issues to rile up voters enact a power grab & destroy democracy.

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Connie Yi's avatar

Fascinating. Thanks for the detailed description of what's happening over there. I'm however sadden to hear this...

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

I disagree. Attitudes in Germany have changed and the moderate right (CDU) is correcting the situation (admittedly not always optimally, but who could?) before the extreme right (AfD) becomes too strong. Not all that long ago, people were getting tied into knots over fine particulate pollution (which particulate matter decal should come after 4 and what color should it have? Diesel truck prohibition in downtown areas!). Now, after too many street gluer activist events blocking the Autobahnen and other roadways and this successfully being instrumentalized by the far right on TikTok, I'm seeing way too many Porsche Cayennes and Dodge Ram pickups in parking lots and streets designed for Fiat 500s. The Germany of the 1980s would have a nervous breakdown if it saw what was coming. According to IPSOS, the big worry issue is immigration, not loss of democracy, not climate change. The AfD is now polling even with the CDU. The current government, which is very pro-EU, pro-West, and pro-Ukraine, had better keep addressing people's concerns, or things will spiral out of control as they have in the US. Should the AfD run things, there will be open hostility to immigrants, environmental protection will cease to be a thing, the EU would become at best an weak intention, and democracy in German would cease to exist. All windows of opportunity for turning things around after that would be closed.

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Edmund Clingan's avatar

As long as every other party commits to the firewall, the AfD will never come to power.

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

Disagree. If the AfD wins the majority, they will come to power without needing a coalition. They are now polling even with the CDU. Hoping for a weak coalition that does not address people's concerns is no comfort. The democratic parties really need to figure out why the AfD is becoming more popular and try to stop it by changing what they do. That should be Priority Number One. The only party I've seen try to address the situation is the CDU, as imperfect as it is. These ridiculous clubs (they are Vereine, after all), have become so inwardly focussed, that they are going to make themselves irrelevant and destroy democracy if they keep this up.

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Edmund Clingan's avatar

I am presuming from your name and comments that you are German. For the other readers, who may not know the German system, half of the seats in the Bundestag are chosen by proportional representation (with a 5% threshold). The latest polls you refer to put the AfD at 24-25%, very far from a majority. Furthermore, their support is mainly in the less populated east, which makes it very hard to win most of the first-past-the-post seats. Finally, on some issues the Bundesrat (Federal Council) comes into play and only five states are eastern (right now the AfD controls zero eastern states). So the AfD only gains power if someone lets them in just as the Nazis only gained power in coalition with the Nationalists.

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

Times are pretty good right now. Economy is doing all right. No substantively big issues facing society right now threatening a mass upheaval of society. Immigration could definitely be improved, but that will be a Herculean task involving a number of countries, each with their own problems. But come an economic crisis? US induced maybe? Russia instigates another mass immigration wave? Not that long ago, the AfD was reliably under 10%. Not any more. The AfD is now polling 2x that of the SPD.

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/deutschlandtrend

Note: I'm not seeing differentiation East vs. West here. Let me know if I'm overlooking something.

The AfD seems good at attracting youth, especially young men. Belief in democracy is not as strong as it should be. The root cause of this needs to be addressed. Not long ago, young people were concerned about climate change. Now, it's immigration and the economy.

It's not only much easier but also possible to fix problems before they turn into an existential crisis. They had better get their act together and turn this around comfortably before it gets worse. It is really a wonderful country.

Note: I'm not German, but my wife is.

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

I appreciate you adding some details on the German system. Thanks!

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Beatrice N Henrioulle's avatar

Makes one wonder if the dismantling of E.U is not the final goal...US colonization in bright daylight. After all they DARE interfering in politics in E.U (Bannon first then Vance) and no one stopped them....

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

Russia and the various nationalist parties in Europe are working on that. The EU is making many laudable efforts to help the member state citizens appreciate the benefits (and there are lots of them). But I think the number one and two best efforts would be to finally get immigration under control and to keep the economy humming.

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Ellen Yvonne's avatar

It seems Germany is under the same spell as America, that it is the liberal democratic elites who are the cause of all our problems instead of the autocratic oligarchs who impose suffering and austerity to the masses through power and money.

https://substack.com/@ellenyvonne/note/c-139971475?r=11279&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

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Edmund Clingan's avatar

And the Social Democrats remain part of this coalition. I suppose their excuse is fear of the Nazis gaining more. They should should look back at their own history of tolerating Bruening "the Hunger Chancellor" whose policies only strengthened the extreme parties.

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Chris's avatar

Most of the West is undergoing some version of this: a right wing that's all-in on anti-immigrant hysterics, a center that spends most of its time kneecapping anything to the left of Thatcher/Reagan, and a growing contempt for democratic mechanisms.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Agree. It’s widespread.

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leave my name off's avatar

Remember that book The Global Trap written by two of your fellow Der Spiegel journalists a quarter of a century ago? Juxtapose that with Putin's People by Catherine Belton and House of Putin, House of Trump and you will put 2 + 2 together and realize that Putin's apparatus has been behind all of this agitation of left behind peoples in the west ever since the USSR collapsed and he maneuvered into control. Trump tries to appear sympathetic to hungry children in Gaza while standing next to Starmer, but gives Netanyahu control of the food aid. Claims to be bullying Putin with ultimatums, but watch his actions. Same with not allowing the Taiwanese leader in the country before going to pretend he is negotiating with Xi Jinpeng, who really holds all of the cards.

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Marc Panaye's avatar

Dear Prof. Krugman, I'll tell you what drump gets from Europe.

I'll do my utmost to not buy anything made in drump's country.

Nada, nothing, zero.

And I'm not alone, drump can eat all his junk meat because I am not buying. He can drink all the diets cokes because I am not buying.

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Alex Tolley's avatar

And don't forget to not pay for any Substack subscriptions, as the owners and many writers are American.

I would suggest being a bit more discriminatory.

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Marc Panaye's avatar

Dear Alex, you seem to be confused.

I support the work of REAL Americans. Thus I gladly contribute to Substack subscriptions.

"BIG" US corporate? Not so much. They can all go and sell their stuff to that drump fellow.

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Leigh Horne's avatar

Love the telling comparison between our EU 'deal' then (under a Democratic administration in both senses of the word) and now. And I loved your observation that Trump apparently believes he 'won.' Given his progressing cognitive decline, this reminded me of what happens in some memory-care facilities: they give people who are not living in the present the illusion of agency and comfort by playing music and shows from the years of their youth, and setting out piles of washed towels for the women, at least, to fold and place into linen closets. Given that Trump appears to feel most at home in some GIlded Age (Just look at the Oval Office now!) maybe we should sit him down with a silver platter of caviar and hope it sends his cholesterol into the stroke zone.

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Winston Smith London Oceania's avatar

He prefers Big Macs over caviar and Diet Coke over Dom Perignon.

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Leigh Horne's avatar

Yeah, that's how he's kept that slim profile of his! But seriously, folks, there's evidence linking artificial sweeteners to Alzheimer's. Interesting, that.

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George Patterson's avatar

The sugar lobby has produced "studies" linking artificial sweeteners to about everything short of syphilis. Any time you read one of these statements, find out who paid for the study and where it was run.

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Leigh Horne's avatar

Yikes. Point taken. But meanwhile, I'm cultivating a taste for tea and honey.

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BARRY GANDER's avatar

Love your column! Thanks for the ongoing reality check.

Please forgive this URL insertion, but to reinforce the concept that Trump really messed up, there is this piece: https://barrygander.substack.com/p/trump-messes-up-again-his-eu-taxes

It stresses the impact on Americans, and the illegality of what he is doing.

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George Patterson's avatar

Excellent! I particularly like the part about "every country in the EU must approve the 'deal' before it can take effect."

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Alex Tolley's avatar

But recall that Germany is the largest economy in Europe, and tends to drive policy. Its auto industry is very important and already hurting. Tariffs on auto exports to the US are very costly, and hence Germany's push for the least damaging tariff "deal" for the auto industry.

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Science Curmudgeon's avatar

The saddest outcome is that the solemn word of the United States of America is only as good as the intentions of the US President, and he isn't bound by anything. A ratified treaty doesn't even have the staying power of a commercial contract. The symmetry is broken. If a treaty requires Senate approval by a 2/3 vote, then it should take Senate action to dissolve it by a similar 2/3 vote. It would take an amendment to the constitution to fix this defect.

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George Patterson's avatar

A ratified treaty by the current administration has exactly the staying power of a commercial contract entered into by DonnyJon.

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Jeroen's avatar

My guess is that the EU is just glad to be moving on and finding new avenues of new trade flow like with the Mercosur bloc

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Parker Dooley's avatar

HaHa. He'll be back for more.

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George Patterson's avatar

Yes. Here's where this is going. In a bit, he'll complain that Europe isn't buying enough American cars/trucks and gasoline. So, he'll demand that the European nations eliminate their taxes on gasoline, arguing that they'd buy more American gas guzzlers if they do this.

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Gian Varbaro's avatar

I have a somewhat theoretical (for lack of a better term) question- Why wouldn’t Europe just tear up these agreements in two years? Trump has set the precedent, he ignored the trade agreements because he thought “America was getting screwed“, why wouldn’t Europe do it when they actually are getting screwed? Right now, they are still very tied with the United States for defense and other spending. But we are seeing them actively extricate themselves. If I were them, I would placate Trump, knowing they can manipulate him, but giving him his “deal“ now and avoiding the worst of his potential outburst and buy themselves time. Then I would completely redo the deal and screw the United States in two years when they were clear. Perhaps even sooner. Even if that is not the current plan, wouldn’t political pressure from Europeans force the EU to do something like this as soon as they are in the position to fully retaliate? I’d love to hear what Paul or the other commentators think. This is just what I’ve been thinking this whole time. I think if Canada, Japan, the EU, and the UK band together and do something like this once they have defense for Ukraine and each other all set up, I think that makes them the predominant superpower in the world.

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Gian Varbaro's avatar

Just adding onto my own post, maybe I have the timing wrong Maybe they do this right before the midterm elections in a year or so from now. Undermine his whole promise of him making America stronger. But that could backfire as well. Just a thought

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Frau Katze's avatar

The tariffs are applied by the US to imported goods. Even if the E.U. didn’t sign the agreement, the tariffs would go ahead.

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Barb O's avatar

Yeah. As if the orange one can actually force them to do all this stuff? It's better to just let his dementia riddled brain think he made the deal and ride it out, using his own strategy. Drag it out as long as possible. EU, Canada, Japan, etc, all need to realize they are a lot stronger than they think. Y'all got through 2 world wars and survived. You can survive the world war without the military part.

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Ruben Cober's avatar

The 'promises' that the EU made of 600 billion investment in the US and buying 750 billion worth of energy, are fantasy: the EU doesn't spend that money, private companies do (or don't).

Still, the EU gave in to Trump's bullying, which is not a good example for the rest of the international community. Will the schoolyard bully stop, after you give him your candy?

https://open.substack.com/pub/essentialeurope/p/the-deal-that-wasnt?r=5oi7od&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

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Jeffrey Brendecke's avatar

The EU unfortunately relies on the US for defense. A big concern was the US backing out of NATO commitments in response to the EU going too hard against the tariffs. Merz said in a press conference, he didn't think the deal was good for the US either and this will show itself with time.

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Megan Rothery's avatar

Use/share this spreadsheet (bit.ly/Goodtrouble) as a resource to call/email/write members of Congress, the Cabinet and news organizations. Reach out to those in your own state, and those in a committee that fits your topic. Call. Write. Email. Protest. Unrelentingly. We deserve better ❤️‍🩹🤍💙

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Sarah A. Green's avatar

And go to meetings of your LOCAL elected officials, county commissions, city council, township, park board, school board, university governing board.

These bodies all have public comment periods. Speak up. Go often. Bring friends.

Tell them how this will harm their constituents. Ask them to pressure state and congressional reps. Demand responsible government.

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leave my name off's avatar

Show up and invite your fellow citizens afterwards to shut off the cash....bring the tax forms for them to fill out to change witholding to ZERO (not including what's owed for SSI/Medicare payroll taxes).

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leave my name off's avatar

They don't give a f*ck. If we collectively shut off their cash flow, that may get their attention. No more witholding...change it asap.

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