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Add to this that economists have greatly increased their probability for a recession and there will be even less revenue collected since revenue drops when GDP declines.

This means that deficits will rise and so will unemployment and the debt/GDP ratio, although a large amount of inflation would give the nominal number a boost, it will be unlikely to do the trick.

Half of the increase in the deficit in FY 2009 was due to lost revenue from the collapse itself (abt 600 billion including emergency tax cuts) and most of the rest was TARP (passed under Bush).

All of this will dwarf cuts made by Musk which is minimal as a percentage of spending while being extremely damaging to our nation and its future.

There will far fewer purchases of imports or domestic goods in a downturn and likely fewer exports, as well, since this downturn will likely be global and all goods more expensive, as well.

The idea that these tariffs will protect our industries or inspire domestic production when there is less demand or consumption of goods is more than far-fetched.

There is nothing to pull us out of a self-imposed slump or possibly worse, another depression.

Nothing to inspire this imaginary domestic growth or investment they are assuming will occur.

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Hi Paul, what about the theory that there is somehow a systemic plan to collapse the U.S. economy - to force a Depression - so that Trump’s billionaires and venture capitalists can buy discounted assets such as companies and real estate including public lands and parks that become privatized because the U.S. is forced to sell them off due to debt? For instance Peter Thiel will get $4 billion tax free from his Roth IRA in two years and if the U.S. has crashed he will be able to buy anything he wants. Naomi Klein has the idea of “disaster capitalism,” that the transnational oligarchic elite like to use or create disasters so they can centralize wealth and control. After the fall of the USSR, we pressured Russia and other countries to quickly privatize their public assets and then wealthy people from America and Europe were able to increase their fortunes. It seems obvious these conspiratorial forces are now seeking to do the same to the U.S. and the way to understand that is to consider who could really benefit from the collapse of the U.S. This also could go with the plan to transform the U.S. fully into a serf society ruled by tech / AI. You need to destroy the middle class to have a pliant population. So actually I think you are wrong and this is a real plan. I write about these topics in my substack also: danielpinchbeck.substack.com .

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