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Thomas Patrick McGrane's avatar

There's a pattern of Republican Genocide. They are murderers by other means.

First they fought the ACA health care improvements. Then they convinced people not to wear masks or get vaccines during the Covid-19 epidemic. Now they want to kill people by taking away health care and food.

Republicans are mass murderers.

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Brooks Keogh's avatar

and the cuts to USAID are or will kill ,millions worldwide

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ISeeWhatYouDidThere's avatar

Speaking of worldwide, Prof Krugman has said how post Covid supply chain issues have caused economic troubles worldwide, causing liberals to vote for oppositional extremists.

Well, Australia just rejected a candidate who had identified himself with Trump and even had a Trump advisor Chris la Civita advising the conservatives Down Under.

Yet the NYT and WaPo mention these stories waaaay down on their front page (LA Times not at all).

It's almost as if the legacy media that tipped their hats to Trump at his inauguration now don't want Democrats to take heart from a worldwide rejection of Trumpism.

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Brooks Keogh's avatar

and canada-and france and germany last summer-they have mixed motives,for sure-they want to protect press freedom and journalistic integrity and freedom and yet not alienate trump-and be profitable-and there's corporate ownership-i hear some communities have established trusts to support newspapers-not legacy media but maybe the wave of the future

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D4N's avatar

You dare not overlook the 'fact' that all countries mentioned are western democracies that, like the U.S., "practice" loosely (not much) constrained capitalism economic model, that's been allowed to morph into "free for all, wild west" supply side model. It's predictable end is in sight; and it ain't pretty. It doesn't seem like Paul answers or remarks very often. I'd imagine that could be real chore.

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ISeeWhatYouDidThere's avatar

Could it be that a Nobel Prize winning economist might disagree with your views about capitalism? Could it also be that he might even have really good reasons for having that different point of view - views that he's researched and spelt out over decades of critiqued and published research for which dozens if not 100's of other world leading economists awarded him that Prize?

#TomNichols - Death of Expertise

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May 5Edited

Btw; Tom Nichols was not wrong in his assessment in general. And most intellectuals do have the same complex. That said, I would never debate nuclear policy, nor Russia with him.

* Without intent to flatter, I like your style ISWYDT.

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D4N's avatar

That could be so. I'd care to listen to said economist to consider their views. I'd bounce it around in my gourd for a bit ISWYDT.

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ISeeWhatYouDidThere's avatar

Even middle of the road, financial journalists in Australia are stating this now-

"Donald Trump trespassed on the federal election and poisoned Peter Dutton's campaign"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-05/trump-dutton-federal-election-albanese-toxic-liberal-politics/105249448

From Canada to France to Germany to the (non-cult) people of the USA - the whole world is rejecting Trumpism.

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D4N's avatar

"That" is not theoretical, where macroeconomics largely is. Someday, all that 'research' may be done; Thence the model will move and change.

All that said, I read the article you referenced with interest yet embarrassment and pain. The Orange iL Duce has always been repulsive to me. I apologize from the very bottom of my heart that 'it' may have effected your elections, or those of any other of our friends and allies. If it's any salve at all, bear in mind that he (it) won no mandate to act or speak for the majority of Americans. Seventy percent of all votes casts were cast in favor of someone other than the OiD. I regret to admit, that we in America of good conscience have much work to do. The sooner, the better for this soul. The OiD is poison to anything he touches.

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ISeeWhatYouDidThere's avatar

Apologies very much accepted but unnecessary - as you point out most Americans didn't vote for Trump.

And much as I hesitate to say that what happens in far off, little Australia has much effect on the rest on the world, it does seem that Trump's wave of crazy statements today is in line with the NYT, WaPo and other legacy media distracting from the fact that people around the world are rebelling against Trumpism.

He's rattled by that change - in France, Germany, Australia, etc.. - It means that Democrats are *not* alone but actually represent normality which has departed the USA since last November.

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Carol C's avatar

And climate change. . .

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Brooks Keogh's avatar

i used to think there'd be 50 million climate refugees in a few decades-now it looks like 500m- billion- and maybe more

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EUWDTB's avatar

STOP THE SPAM!

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George Patterson's avatar

And of course the plebes must increase their birth rate to handle the increased number of dead.

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D4N's avatar

Only compliant white christians need apply.

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D4N's avatar

Project 2025 Thomas. Read up and checkoff all the moves now in progress. Thank the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, Koch and other corporate sponsors, and of course the christian nationalists. It's a coalition of interests and tfg is just a useful tool.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Yep. Like so many psychopaths.

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Mohan Raj's avatar

You won't be responding to that level of questioning because you don't have a good answer.

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Al Keim's avatar

Tim, are you Davie's brother?

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Turgut Tuten's avatar

Wasn't it Jim Jones, the Kool Aid guy?

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Al Keim's avatar

Jeez I don't know but now that you bring it up...

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frank mangiaracina's avatar

See below. It's actually about 30%. Strange that your surprisingly specific statistic was so far from reality. Makes me wonder about the other things you said.

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Teri C's avatar

Makes me wonder if the doge boys have someone on the team assigned to leave piles of doge poop in the comments.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that was the case. I'll bet they've also got a few bots hovering around.

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Michael's avatar

I've heard this same rant, with these same numbers again and again from different trolls. Are you all given a script to read off of? How many are you? What country? Are your even human and not AI?

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TomD's avatar
May 3Edited

Yeah, they were using reefer trucks as temp morgues because Covid was no big deal.

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D4N's avatar

How soon some people forget. Tears.....

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EUWDTB's avatar

Lol... a "Marxist experiment of control"? Globally? Any evidence to back up your claim?

In the meantime, here are a few questions.

First of all, NAME some of those "Marxists", please? Who are we talking about more precisely?

Secondly, how did they pull it off?

Third, what did they gain from it?

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Mohan Raj's avatar

Are you implying that it is probably good that they all died?

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Al Keim's avatar

Illegitimate COVID death? Is this the $2,000 per fake COVID death that all the nation's doctors received?

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justjuli's avatar

I suspect, aside from accidents, a very high percentage of people who DIE have "pre existing medical circumstances such as diabetes, morbid obesity and others." And are more likely to be older than younger. Doesn't make covid-19 not a "legitimate" pandemic.

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Mohan Raj's avatar

So if we mismanage a situation in a way that kills mostly the elderly and the chronically-ill, it is okay and acceptable. Is that what you are saying?

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Kimberly's avatar

As an aside, we will see what people remember by how Cuomo ranks running again in NY. IMHO.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Since we have ranked choice voting now, I for one will put him last. I don't remember if we have the option of leaving a candidate off altogether. If so, I'll just "opt out" of him.

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Matilda's avatar

Tim rhymes with Jim. Go peddle your kool aid somewhere else.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

So, Tim, was covid engineered to achieve this result?

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Where have I seen this attitude of the 'conservatives' regarding the poor, before? 'Are there no prisons? The Union Workhouses are they still in operation? The treadmill...' Punishing the poor for being poor has ever been a goal of the well-off. What is destroying our society is the wealth gap. The poor can never get ahead and the wealthy can never have enough wealth - and are willing to bankrupt the Country so they can have ever more wealth. They don't need this money. They have more than they can ever spend. But taking it away from the poor gives them some perverse pleasure.. Is it any wonder why the French Revolution went in the direction it did? (Disclaimer: I am only a slightly reworked Eisenhower Republican.)

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Jane D's avatar

yep, they (the wealthy) are a bunch of crackheads. They just want more and more and more.

From Leonard Cohens great song”Tower of Song”

‘Now, you can say that I've grown bitter but of this you may be sure

The rich have got their channels in the bedrooms of the poor

And there's a mighty judgment coming, but I may be wrong

You see, you hear these funny voices in the Tower of Song

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D4N's avatar

Oh snap ! I'd forgotten about that song. Thank you Jane !

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Jane D's avatar

I have many more songs I can quote them! Stay tuned

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D4N's avatar

I shall; You're now on my radar - in the best of ways....

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Jane D's avatar

👍🏻

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Jennifer Stewart's avatar

You're right, that conservative attitude goes back forever. And when it gets out of hand it always leads to some kind of revolution. As it will with the Trump administration, whose malevolence, arrogance and greed is as mind-boggling as the individual and collective stupidity. They all seem to believe they're immune from consequence. But their house of cards is already collapsing about their ears; a lot of people have done and are doing things that will land them in jail one day. And the GOP reps and senators are kind of paralysed; longing to escape, but unable to.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

Jennifer, I’ve been thinking that when the shit hits the fan, the Administration will declare a real war on a real country. Wag the dog, anyone? The Houthis are just a warm-up target. Remember: Pete Hegseth wants to rename DOD to The Department of War. And the military parade to celebrate Agent Orange’s birthday will crank up the MAGAts.

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George Patterson's avatar

NATO has an agreement that all the nations will unite against any nation that attacks a member of the organization. Trump keeps yammering about attacking Denmark to take Greenland from it. What happens when one NATO member attacks another one? Will we be essentially declaring war against 31 nations?

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

That's not entirely out of the question. But I don't think even Trumpkopf is stupid enough to do something so totally asinine. Not because of the potential NATO response, but because of the possible overwhelming response of We The People. The last straw could be anything at this point.

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Stephen Schiff's avatar

I wish I could be so sanguine. Every time I think that he and his enablers have reached rock bottom, they do something to prove me wrong.

And as to We the people: We had a fairly good turnout on April 5th, but the numbers have been declining since then. (Here in the DC area, in any case) So I am not sanguine about a popular uprising either.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

IDK about DC, but here in NYC, April 19 was easily as large as April 5. May Day was a bit disappointing, but apparently it was expected to be because it was on a weekday.

I believe a popular uprising could happen at any time. Remember, we're only barely beyond the first hundred days and we've already had large nationwide demonstrations. That's unheard of. Other times this has occurred was over years, not days, so overall, we're doing pretty damn well as far as that goes.

Trumpkopf has already done some seriously asinine things already, and he's not done yet. The spark could be anything. If this "budget" bill goes through, and MAGAnuts, along with the rest of us, lose critical social safety net programs, health insurance, SNAP, Social Security, we're looking at a whole new ballgame. Ditto the impact of these insane tariffs when it hits.

If there's one thing authoritarian regimes are dependent on, it's fostering a spirit of hopelessness, so the best thing you can do is keep up the fighting spirit.

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mike harper's avatar

DOD's real name is War Dept. Like back in the days of WW2

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Doug S.'s avatar

"You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

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Jennifer Stewart's avatar

Marge, I think Hegseth is stupid enough to try and make it happen, but I have a feeling that he'd be stopped. I reckon it would ignite the majority against Trump. As for the military parade, I think it's just Trump flexing the muscle he imagines he has. But already his 'power' is draining away.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Not to mention a significant portion of the military itself might defy an illegal order from an incompetent drunkard who stupidly risked their lives on an unsecured commercial app. That had to chop away any remaining respect they might have had for him. If any.

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emjayay's avatar

It was originally the Department of War. I think Pete would prefer Department of Warfighters though.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

I'm willing to bet at least half the military would balk, especially because they can't stand being ordered by a hardcore incompetent lush. Especially one who willingly, maybe even deliberately, held a top secret meeting over an unsecured commercial app that included an editor at the Atlantic.

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Anne's avatar

Yes, I too see them getting us in a real war. Distract. Bang the drum and raise the flag.

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D4N's avatar

Are we really waiting that long to petition for impeachment, state by state ?

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Those GOP reps and senators ought to land in jail right along with King MAGA and his band of nitwit, arrogant criminals.

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Frau Katze's avatar

The MAGA faithful are still largely supportive. Tariffs aren’t for revenue they’re to rebuild America. They really believe this will happen.

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Ike was the last decent Republican president. Not great, but decent, meaning a decent human being in addition to being reasonably competent.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

And now those types inhabit the Democratic tent. My whole family reregistered as Dems a while ago. The rethuglicans just marched off into their crazed fever dreams and left us to make the necessary adjustment.

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D4N's avatar

With some reservations, I'd agree.

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A.Gnosticthefirst's avatar

So this is what a gilded age looks like! Complete with a Cantaloupe Caligula who seems not only to be economically illiterate, but also appears to have a Strong-Man complex too.

The "peasants" are trying to remember where they left their pitchforks.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

I love ‘Cantaloupe Caligula’!

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

You beat me to it! 😂

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WinstonSmithLondonOceania's avatar

Illiterate, not only economically. When he said "I never read Mein Kampf" he meant he had to have someone read it to him.

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Jane D's avatar

Cantaloupe Caligula! I love this

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Geoffrey Glover's avatar

Even better than Old Yam Tits!

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A.Gnosticthefirst's avatar

: )

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D4N's avatar

😂

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Chester's avatar

WELL SAID.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Elon Musk waves around a chainsaw as he’s firing people. Then he wonders why sales of Tesla are down so much. Self-aware, he is not.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

I read somewhere this week that he thought he was going to sire 5000 children....

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Frau Katze's avatar

Strange guy.

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D4N's avatar

Thank you Stephen. In some small measure you give me hope.

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Geoffrey Glover's avatar

There are so few of us, the Eisenhower Republicans left. The ones who shake their heads at the attacks on our beloved PBS because: wasn't that where we learned to debate Demicrats by watching Wall Street Week while smirking at Louis Ruykeyser's wry attempts at humour that made our less stodgy friends roll their eyes? Was that not the home of of William .f Buckley, Jr., whose analysis of the Nixon/Kissinger State Department made us almost believe Kissinger wasn't a Nazi? And why on earth are those seeming like the "Good Ol' Days?

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SanPride's avatar

We’re definitely in a “let them eat cake” moment under Orange Julius & Republican rule.

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Mickie Morganfield's avatar

Medicare Advantage has always been a system where a deep layer of multi-million-dollar executives gamed the system. They send out 'health techs' or LPNs with minimal credentials to do a 10 minute in-home assessment of wellness, bill Medicare for a complete annual wellness exam on the 'covered lives' in their area, collect the one time big (for Medicare) fee, and physicians who've spent years caring for those patients will see denials when they perform a complete home or office evaluation, assessment of need, plan and coordination of care. *We have a growing shortage ! of physicians and general surgeons. When Grandma does a spend down to qualify for Medicaid, or signs herself into a SNF using savings accumulated over a lifetime of work to cover the first three months of care, there will continue to be fewer physicians available for care home visits due to attrition. No Party in Power has ever worried or understood the negative impact of corporate medicine. Teddy Kennedy believed commercial insurers would bring business acumen and hold cost down. Hillary did too. Donald really doesn't care.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

Example: I just made an appointment with an endocrinologist for what may be thyroid cancer. The appointment is on APRIL 21, 2026. The scheduler says all the endocrinologists are booked until at least next March. The shortages are becoming both absurd and terrifying.

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EUWDTB's avatar

Incredible...

All the best to you.

People in the wealthiest country on Earth deserve SO much better...

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Norbert Bollow's avatar

If you can in any way afford doing so, look for a way to get an appointment in a country where you can get an appointment soonish. Some cancers are fast-growing and really dangerous.

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George Patterson's avatar

Norbert has the right idea. India seems to be the country that most British people in your shoes use.

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Anne R. Buttenheim's avatar

singapore, seoul

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Marvin Pflaum (TheOtherBum)'s avatar

Sorry for your situation. Republicans often point to the Canadian health care system as one which has lengthy wait times and which is therefore inferior to the US system. Never bought that argument.

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Ron's avatar

I've witnessed this trend as well. The medical consequences will be disastrous.

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emjayay's avatar

I'm on Medicare Advantage and have gotten nmerous calls about a home visit. I have zero need for any home visit. I stupidly thought they were just doing some policy maybe required by Medicare (offering the visit, maybe hoping I wouldn't agree) but I'm sure you are right and they are just looking to do something Medicare will reimburse for a lot more than they spend on it, even though sending anyone at any level of medical expertise to homes is obviously an expensive thing.

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Science Curmudgeon's avatar

Hmmm... let's look at the price of food. We are deporting and scaring off our farm workers and putting tariffs on food imports. At the same time, we cut food stamps. That isn't pinching pennies. That's a threat of malnutrition and starvation. Of course, somebody doesn't care. Look at the impact of the cuts to USAID. How many will die this year? The charitable organizations can't make up for all these cuts. This isn't from the New Testament. Christians should be outraged.

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Brooks Keogh's avatar

they don't care about the new testament despite what they piously preach

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Marge Wherley's avatar

If we’re weakened by starvation, we won’t be able to storm the Bastille (i.e. Maralago). Clever little monkeys!

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James Harold McClure's avatar

Did real private investment rise by 22% during 2025QI? Peter Navarro seems to be the first to make this dubious claim. It seems the loudmouth racist Stephen Miller was sent out to echo this claim. And it seems fake Ph.D. EJ Antoni is bragging on the Twitter about this piece in the renowned academic journal known as TownHall, which was published under the title “Economic Growth Hiding in Plain Sight”:

“But the best part of the GDP report was this showstopper: investment (the impetus of long-run real economic growth) is skyrocketing, up 21.9 percent at a seasonally adjusted annualized rate.”

That would be a showstopper but any review of the data provided by the latest from BEA also show this trio is lying big time. First of all, BEA’s reporting on the data I’m about to present is seasonally adjusted and analyzed. Then again – something tells me that EJ has no clue what these terms mean.

My first read of Navarro’s nutjob claim was that he was referring to real private fixed investment which rose from $4265.88 billion (all figures in 2017$) to $4348.811 billion for a 1.9% increase. Not bad but nowhere near 22%. Oh wait – did they include that inventory surge where inventory accumulation in 2025QI were 3.8 times its level in 2024QIV. Let’s see, investment including inventory accumulation rose from $4513.094 billion to $4533.684 billion for an increase = 5.07%. Now if one interpolates by assuming these growth rates for the next 3 quarters then investment not including inventory accumulation might rise by 7.8%. To get the Navarro-Antoni-Miller insane figure, one has to also assume even more massive inventory accumulations for the rest of the year. Something tells me that this is beyond implausible

But back to little EJ’s stupid claim. Does this fake economist really think massive stockpiling of inventories is the “impetus of long-run real economic growth”?

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Norbert Bollow's avatar

Did that fake economist really think? No, he didn’t.

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George Patterson's avatar

He's got a little random number generator. In Computer Science, we used to say that random numbers are too important to be left to chance.

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D4N's avatar

I'm so grateful folks like you are paying close attention James.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

So we’d better stock up on toilet paper before the oligarchs corner the market on that durable good, too?!

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Martha's avatar

I prefer to read the transcript over listening, so didn’t notice the no audio. I want to thank you for doing this interview. It really explains a lot of what is about to happen in the budgeting efforts. Let’s just hope there are a few republicans with a conscience who see that robbing from the poor to pay the rich is still wrong!

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Paul G's avatar

The new art of medicine is up-coding and hiding the true cost of the service provided. So when you go to an ER you are billed inflated prices for every little item used as well as outrageous fees for the use of the facility. For example in an ER visit among other inflated prices I was billed $65 for 5 cc of salt water (saline) used to flush an IV and $13,000 for the ER visit. My insurer settled the bill for between 1/3 and 1/4 of the total billed.

In addition to unrealistically high prices for every service offered, the billing game requires coders to bill insurers and patients on a higher grade of service than the one actually given the patient based on the perceived severity of the diagnosis rather than the time spent with the patient. For example you go to your doc and you have small superficial benign skin lesion and the doc sprays it with liquid nitrogen to freeze it. The coder will bill it as a surgical removal of a skin lesion adding a couple of hundred dollars to the bill. The service literally takes 5 seconds and uses $.50 worth of liquid nitrogen. And depending on the facility, more often in large health care facilities, coders will upcode every service.

Insurers often have contracts with the hospitals that guarantee their prices which are deep discounts off of what the coder billed. But if you are not insured you will be billed the full amount. At that point some Hospitals will sometimes negotiate with patients who ask for an adjustment. The other wrinkle is that hospitals will then claim that discount as "charity" care.

Understanding health care costs is worse than negotiating the purchase of a used car (apologies to used care salesmen). Sad to say the game is to overkill and collect the maximum.

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emjayay's avatar

Same with billing for services. They bill for each treatment at the highest $ number they think anyone would possibly pay. From records the insurance sends me I can see they typically get 10-30% reimbursement for each charge, which they accept.

It's an insane non-system.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Musk is definitely not interested in this source of waste and fraud. Interesting…

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Sean M Carlin's avatar

When future historians look back at this period in history they will laugh about the Republican's attachment to Christian Nationalism. Jesus had simple and understandable messages, "shelter the homeless", "clothe the naked", and "feed the hungry". What type of Christianity do these people believe in? If tax cuts at the expense of people eating and having healthcare excites you then please lose the crucifix or the cross as you just don't get it.

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Rainer Dynszis's avatar

Why, the Republicans are consistent: They have the same reverence for the teachings of Christianity as they have for the US Constitution.

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emjayay's avatar

While loudly and continually touting their allegience to both.

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George Patterson's avatar

If you attend one of their services, you will find that they don't preach Christ. They preach Paul.

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Kristin's avatar

I'm going to start wearing the cross of Lorraine, a symbol of the French Resistance.

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Sean M Carlin's avatar

Send me one. All in!

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Edwin Callahan's avatar

Don’t wear a cross unless you’re willing to risk being nailed to a real one. Also, being willing to nail someone else to a cross doesn’t make it OK, either.

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Paul B's avatar

National Christianity?

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Thomas Patrick McGrane's avatar

You must understand the TV networks you are all addicted to are Republican Wall Street corporate owned, and they control what you know.

Thanks for this interview. Everyone grow a vegetable garden and learn how to preserve your crops. You can't eat your lawn but you can rent a rototiller. Land is everything in life.

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thedeadcanary's avatar

The Prof. is just naturally cool.

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Al Keim's avatar

Kinda Easy Rider look.

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George Patterson's avatar

Not enough hair.

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Al Keim's avatar

Time adjustment required

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John's avatar
May 3Edited

There are so many ways that this could finally blow up, it’s hard to know which scenario will prevail. Financial meltdown? ? Nuclear war with Iran? Assassination? Armed rebellion? War with NATO? Which Circle of Hell are we headed for?

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The Coke Brothers's avatar

It's grand theft plus bankruptcy. Think Greece or Argentina levels of smoldering ecnomic ruin

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Marge Wherley's avatar

I’m betting on a nuclear war with a country too small to be able to do us any damage. It’s such a Made For TV scenario that I’m sure Pete Hegseth’s Departure of War has already picked the target (and blabbed about it on an unsecured line). The oligarchs are ready to invest.

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D4N's avatar

There's even more that's shocking regarding that unsecured line. Heather Cox Richardson wrote a bit more that's come out yesterday Marge.

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Paul B's avatar

Who's going to miss North Korea?

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George Patterson's avatar

Alaska will when the fallout gets there.

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Maribel Maldonado's avatar

Audio not working…

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Norbert Bollow's avatar

“because the US economy grows, because we have inflation, you can run budget deficits year after year and the debt will only grow as fast as GDP, which is not a problem, or not necessarily a problem”

I think that already the existing debt will become a serious problem if the Trumpist government continues to wreck US trustworthiness as a viable location for business and investments.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

Ahh, but they will have gotten theirs. And they can retreat to their lavish island bunkers. So what do they have to worry about? Those bunkers have been tested and are impervious to pitchforks.

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D4N's avatar

Indeed; Our 'debt' is entirely predicated on 'full trust and faith' in America.

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Michael's avatar

Well turnabout is fair okay I suppose, but the Republicans are using reconciliation as a way to kick the deficit can down the road and saddle our grandchildren with enormous debt. They do this over and over again and then the Democrats (who are the adults in the room) have to come and try to fix things up..

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Ron's avatar

Semi-adults.

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Marge Wherley's avatar

Which we do

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Paul Andrew Powell's avatar

Am I naive to suggest that along with getting rid of "everything they hate," their ultimate plan is to bankrupt the government so they can move in to privatize all services?

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Marge Wherley's avatar

It pretty much worked for Putin. But he didn’t require bankruptcy; he just required authoritarian power.

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Phil's avatar

Trump is working on that as his backup plan.

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Paul Andrew Powell's avatar

I guess I see it as Plan A. I frame the whole debacle as a civil war between the public sector and the private sector. It's a war that, ideologically, goes back to the Revolution, if not throughout history. The south shall rise again! as the slogan went. Well, it has--if one understands "the south" as an economic and social ideology. The question is do we acknowledge it and address it? In a way, Musk is Trump's Sherman's March only in reverse. My concern is that focusing on, and bemoaning, the daily destruction going on does Trump a service by ignoring the larger threat. I mean, isn't it obvious that Trump is trying to drag government "into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." -- Norquist. It is to me. So much progressive commentary on these matters, to me, is like a general watching an invading force take a town, detailing how bad the consequence will be, ands fretting over it. Time to establish the enemy's motives for the public so we understand what's at stake. (two cents)

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emjayay's avatar

Good call.

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D4N's avatar

Yes; And the cabal picks the private owners.

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Science Curmudgeon's avatar

I'll repeat the super over simplified model for medical care:

Non profit model:

budget - overhead = service

For profit model:

budget - overhead - profit = less service

Optimized for profit model:

budget - overhead - more profit = even less service

That's why we have the most profitable medical care on the planet. We optimized profit.

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